Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Bronx Aerosol Arts Documentary Project Description An account of the resource The Bronx Aerosol Arts Documentary Project is a collaboration between Kurt Boone, veteran documentarian of urban culture in New York City, and Dr. Steven Payne, librarian and archivist at The Bronx County Historical Society. The project aims to document the early years of the graffiti arts movement in The Bronx through recording oral histories and collecting tags from surviving Bronx pioneers of the art form. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Bronx Aerosol Arts Documentary Project Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource Boone, Kurt BUTCH 2 Crespo, Pastor, Jr. Payne, Steven Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource CC-BY-NC-SA (Creative Commons) Language A language of the resource English Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context OH-BAADP Oral History A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge. Original Format The type of object, such as painting, sculpture, paper, photo, and additional data MP4 Duration Length of time involved (seconds, minutes, hours, days, class periods, etc.) 01:29:35 Interviewer The person(s) performing the interview Boone, Kurt Payne, Steven Interviewee The person(s) being interviewed SLAVE Location The location of the interview The Bronx, NY OHMS Object Embedded OHMS XML file https://oralhistory.bronxhistoricalsociety.org/viewer.php?cachefile=OH-BAADP.20220209.xml Interview Format Audio or Video Video OHMS Content Content of OHMS Index/Transcript for searching (Hidden) 5.4 Interview with SLAVE OH-BAADP.20220209 01:29:35 OH-BAADP Bronx Aerosol Arts Documentary Project Bronx Oral History Center This interview made possible through the donation of Stephen DeSimone, President/CEO of DeSimone Consulting Engineers. bxoralhistory SLAVE (The Fab 5ive) Payne, Steven Boone, Kurt MP4 slave-oral-history-2022-02-09.mp4 Undefined 1 https://youtu.be/wKSJ0yddDhQ YouTube video English 0 Introduction Steven Payne Welcome to The Bronx Aerosol Arts Documentary Project. This is the third oral history for the project. My name is Steven Payne, librarian and archivist at The Bronx County Historical Society. Today is February 9, 2022, and we're very excited to have here as our guest SLAVE, and I'll say a little bit more about him in a second . . . In this segment Dr. Steven Payne, librarian and archivist at The Bronx County Historical Society, and Kurt Boone, veteran documentarian of urban culture, introduce SLAVE, the legendary graffiti artist who is a part of The Fabulous Five, the first graffiti crew to paint an operational whole subway train in 1977. Whole train (Graffiti) Graffiti;Slave (Graffiti artist);The Fabulous Five (Graffiti artist group) 0 99 Early Life and Introduction to Graffiti SLAVE Yeah, well my name's Kenneth Durant, known as SLAVE from The Fabulous Five. I originally was born in The Bronx, but then we moved to Brooklyn. I really don't remember too much of The Bronx, cause I was like 2 or 3 years old when we moved to Brooklyn . . . In this segment SLAVE speaks about his early life, including his birth in The Bronx, moving then to East New York, and finally to Crown Heights in Brooklyn, where he grew up. He also remembers his introduction to graffiti in Crown Heights and how he first got involved in writing. Crown Heights (New York, N.Y.);Dash (Graffiti artist);Facts 160 (Graffiti artist);IO (Graffiti artist);Kingston Avenue (Brooklyn, N.Y.);Layups (Graffiti);Riff (Graffiti artist);The Odd Partners (Graffiti artist group);Tracy 168 (Graffiti artist) Bronx (New York, N.Y.);Brooklyn (New York, N.Y.);Cartoons and comics;East New York (New York, N.Y.);Graffiti;Graffiti artists 0 245 Origins of the Name "SLAVE" SLAVE I couldn't, like, think of a name. So, I, I used to work in McCrory's, when I was about like 14, 15. So we used to work, and we'd work, and we'd work, and then when we'd get the check there was hardly anything left. So that's how I came up with the name. I said, "They working me like a slave." In this segment SLAVE speaks about how he came up with his graffiti name and how he had to develop style quickly to master the first letter of the name. McCrory Corporation;Slave (Graffiti artist) Graffiti;Graffiti artists;Lettering in art;Slave (Graffiti artist);Style (Graffiti) 0 308 Family Background, Adolescence, and Public School Experience SLAVE Oh, my whole family, they originated from the Virgin Islands, St. Croix. Frederiksted. And they moved up here. And, like, all my brothers and sisters, everybody, were born there. I was the only one born in New York. My mother was a nurse. My father, believe it or not, he used to drive the subway trains . . . In this segment SLAVE speaks about his family background in St. Croix and the jobs his parents had while he was growing up. His father, coincidentally, was a subway operator, though he never expressed knowledge of SLAVE's involvement in subway writing. SLAVE also speaks about his experience attending various public schools in Brooklyn, when graffiti started to become his major focus, and the sports he would play around his neighborhood. Albany Projects (Brooklyn, New York, N.Y.);Brooklyn Technical High School (Brooklyn, New York, N.Y.);Frederiksted (United States Virgin Islands);Freeman Street (Bronx, N.Y.);P.S. 182 (East New York, New York, N.Y.);P.S. 221 (Brooklyn, N.Y.);P.S. 232 Winthrop School (Brooklyn, N.Y.);Racking (Graffiti);Simpson Street (Bronx, N.Y.);St. John's Park (Brooklyn, New York, N.Y.);Thomas Jefferson High School (Brooklyn, New York, N.Y.) Basketball;Bronx (New York, N.Y.);Cartoon characters;Football;Graffiti;Migration, Internal--United States;New York City Public Schools;Saint Croix (United States Virgin Islands);Subways--New York (State)--New York 0 632 Street Gangs and Teenage Years SLAVE We had the Ghetto Brothers, we had the, the Tomahawks. Really around me were the Jolly Stompers. They, they, they headquarters were right around the corner from my house on Crown Street and Schenectady . . . In this segment SLAVE speaks about some of the prominent "gangs", or street organizations, in Crown Heights while he was growing up, including the Ghetto Brothers (he was a Junior Ghetto Brother himself), the Tomahawks, and the Jolly Stompers. He also speaks more about his experience of high school and college, before having to drop out due to work. Colors (Gangs);Crown Street (Brooklyn, New York, N.Y.);George W. Wingate High School (Brooklyn, New York, N.Y.);Ghetto Brothers;Jolly Stompers;Junior Ghetto Brothers;Montgomery Street (Brooklyn, New York, N.Y.);New York City College of Technology (CUNY);Queens-Midtown Tunnel (New York, N.Y.);Schenectady Avenue (Brooklyn, New York, N.Y.);Tomahawks Crown Heights (New York, N.Y.);Gangs--New York (State);New York City Public Schools 0 816 Various Aspects of Childhood SLAVE We used to do a lot of—I used to do them, my nephew did them, like Thor and Luke Cage, and all those. But on my wall I did like a Frankenstein dancing, and a girl with long hair, earrings dancing . . . In this segment SLAVE speaks about various additional aspects of his childhood, including the cartoons and characters he drew, the food that he and his family ate, music, house parties, and his sense of fashion. Adidas USA (Firm);Cage, Luke (Fictitious character);Cats (Gang);CONVERSE;Cooking (Chicken);Cooking (Liver);Frankenstein's monster (Fictitious character) in art;Puma;Racking;Thor;White Castle (Restaurant) Calypso (Music);Cartoons and comics;Food;Hip-hop;Hip-hop--Fashion;House parties;Reggae music;Seafood;Sneakers 0 1199 Getting into Style Writing SLAVE Oh, style letterings? Let me see. I used to always watch all the new pieces coming out. I used to see . . . But when CLIFF and them was out, well we did that one with Charlie Brown and all those . . . In this segment SLAVE speaks about his first introductions to style writing through seeing the work of individual writers and especially the crews The Odd Partners, The Fantastic Partners, and The Fabulous Five (the crew he joined). He also speaks about his time writing "RO3", what he wrote before "SLAVE", and the fact that he went straight to working with spray paint, instead of starting out tagging with markers (as was more typical). He touches on various additional basic elements of the graffiti arts movement, including racking, the brands of spray paint available during the 1970s, and where he would paint lay ups (trains resting at stations before being put back into operation). He offers his definitions of some of the standard graffiti terminology: "throw ups", "pull in and pull outs", "burners", and "pieces". 110 film;2 Seventh Avenue Express;3 Seventh Avenue Express;3 Yard Boys (Graffiti artist group);4 Lexington Avenue Express;5 Lexington Avenue Express;Atlantic Avenue station;Baychester Avenue station;BI (Graffiti artist);Blade (Graffiti artist);Bot 707 (Graffiti artist);Brown, Charlie (Fictitious character);Burners (Graffiti);Cliff 159 (Graffiti artist);Comet (Graffiti artist);Dash 167 (Graffiti artist);Doc 109 (Graffiti artist);Esplanade Avenue station;Falcon 789 (Graffiti artist);IN (Graffiti artist);Insides (Graffiti);John 150 (Graffiti artist);Kingston Avenue station;Krylon (Firm);Lay ups (Graffiti);Magik Markers;Mono (Graffiti artist);Nostrand Avenue station;OG 2 (Graffiti artist);OI (Graffiti artist);Outsides (Graffiti);Pieces (Graffiti);PO 137 (Graffiti artist);Prof 165 (Graffiti artist);Pull in and pull outs (Graffiti);Racking (Graffiti);Red Devil (Firm);Riff 170 (Graffiti artist);Rust-Oleum (Firm);Slug (Graffiti artist);Solid 1 (Graffiti artist);Stan 153 (Graffiti artist);Stim (Graffiti artist);Taggin Graffiti;Graffiti artists;Lettering in art;Photographs;Spray paint;Style writing (Graffiti);Subways--New York (State)--New York;Tools in art;Writer's bench (Graffiti);Writers' Bench 0 2257 Writing SLAVE and Joining The Fabulous Five (TF5) SLAVE In '75. And I, this is where my head was at. I, I did a silver "SLAVE". The "S" was this big, but then when it got down to the "E" it was small. But in my eyes I did a bad burner, you know. I was so proud, my chest stuck out when I got home . . . In this segment SLAVE relates a funny story about his first time writing "SLAVE" and remembers how he joined with The Fabulous Five as well as various members of the crew. Blud (Graffiti artist);Cowboy (Graffiti artist);Del (Graffiti artist);Doc (Graffiti artist);James TOP (Graffiti artist);Mono (Graffiti artist);OG (Graffiti artist);OI (Graffiti artist);Pieces (Graffiti);Prof 165 (Graffiti artist);Quinones, Lee George;Slave (Graffiti artist);Slug (Graffiti artist);The Fabulous Five (Graffiti artist group);The Odd Partners (Graffiti artist group);Throw ups (Graffiti);Ti 149 (Graffiti artist);Top to bottoms (Graffiti) Graffiti;Graffiti artists;Interborough Rapid Transit Company;Subways--New York (State)--New York 0 2497 Artistic Process and Painting the First Whole Train with TF5 SLAVE You know, sometime I, I'd take a piece of paper and draw on it. Black books wasn't really my things because I couldn't just sit in one spot all the time. Be, had be at my house doing, like, every now and then we'd have a bunch of people over and we'd just play around in black books and stuff . . . In this segment SLAVE speaks about the process behind planning and outlining pieces, which usually involved hanging out with other writers while drinking and smoking. He also remembers hanging out at LEE's house with other members of The Fabulous Five as well as the crew's painting of the first whole train, comprised of 10 cars, over the course of a weekend in 1977. Although the train was photographed, he makes the point that it was not photographed by Henry Chalfant or Martha Cooper, because they did not start coming around the graffiti scene, he recalls, until after he stopped writing in 1978. Beer;Black books;Blade (Graffiti artist);Butch 2 (Graffiti artist);Case 2 (Graffiti artist);Chalfant, Henry;Cooper, Martha;Doc (Graffiti artist);Dondi (Graffiti artist);Lay ups (Graffiti);Lee, Bruce;Lincoln Terrace Park (Brooklyn, New York, N.Y.);Mickey Mouse (Fictitious character);Mono (Graffiti artist);Noc 167 (Graffiti artist);Pencil drawing;Pieces (Graffiti);Quinones, Lee George;Racking (Graffiti);The Fabulous Five (Graffiti artist group);Top to bottoms (Graffiti);Uttica Avenue station;Weed;Whole cars (Graffiti);Whole trains (Graffiti) Graffiti;Graffiti artists;Subways--New York (State)--New York 0 3035 Getting Out of the Graffiti World Kurt Boone Cause LEE, LEE was the star of Wild Style, the movie, right. Were you, were you hanging with LEE when they were making the movie? SLAVE Nah, nah cause when I, in, in '79, I had bought a car. So that was the rest of it. That was that. Now I was chasing women and making money . . . In this segment SLAVE describes getting out of graffiti in 1978/1979 and eventually moving to Florida in 1983, where he stayed until 2009/2010, when he moved back to New York City. He also speculates on Dondi's stylistic debt to Noc 167, who was and still is SLAVE's friend. This leads SLAVE to speak about the general atmosphere of friendship that has reigned in the graffiti arts community since the beginning, with a few notable exceptions. This atmosphere also shaped the etiquette around going over other artists' pieces (in most cases, this was widely looked down on). He talks about missing the transition of some writers to canvas in the early 1980s as well as not being aware of Style Wars when it came out in 1983, since he was not only out of the graffiti scene by this moment in time but also out of New York City. 4 Lexington Avenue Express;Beer;Burners (Graffiti);Canvas;Cap (Graffiti artist);Dondi (Graffiti artist);Futura (Graffiti artist);Morris Park Crew (Graffiti artist group);Noc 167 (Graffiti artist);Old timers (Graffiti);PO (Graffiti artist);Police Athletic League (U.S.);Quinones, Lee George;Style Wars (Motion Picture);The Fabulous Five (Graffiti artist group);The Odd Partners (Graffiti artist group);Weed;Wild Style (Motion Picture) Daughters;Divorce;Florida;Friendship;Graffiti;Granddaughters 0 3494 Early Graffiti Culture and Its Global Spread SLAVE Yeah, yeah, it's amazing to me, you know, of, of how back in the days artists didn't wanna have nothing to do with nobody graffiti. We vandals. We just messing up property and all that. Now look at them. Now they wanna be graffiti artists. They been artists all the time. Now all the sudden they wanna do letters and [inaudible] graffiti . . . but you don't have the soul to do this, you know. We know what the letter styles are . . . In this segment SLAVE starts off reflecting on the global spread of graffiti, especially its recent appropriation by the "high art" world and how some contemporary graffiti artists lack the soul that animated the movement during its early years. This leads him to a general discussion of various aspects of early graffiti culture, including style writing, the most famous writers' bench at Third Avenue–149th Street station in The Bronx, the thrill and terror of being chased and harassed by vandal cops, and the general underground or outlaw nature of the movement. 2 Seventh Avenue Express;5 Lexington Avenue Express;Baychester Avenue station;Brooklyn Bridge station;Chain 3 (Graffiti artist);Colors;Doc (Graffiti artist);Global culture;Hickey, Kevin;J Nassau Street Local;Layups (Graffiti);Lesnewski, Conrad ("Ski");Mono (Graffiti artist);Part One (Graffiti artist);Pieces (Graffiti);Quinones, Lee George;Racking (Graffiti);RR Fourth Avenue Local via Tunnel;Soul;Style;The Fabulous Five (Graffiti artist group);Third Avenue–149th Street station;Writers' Bench Appropriation (Arts);Bronx (New York, N.Y.);Graffiti;Graffiti artists;Style writing;Vandalism 0 4135 Aspects of Artistic Work, Past and Present SLAVE Well, well, I painted when I first came back. But I, I never really painted none of my old pieces because to me it's hard to recreate your old pieces. It's more easier for me to do new pieces and new canvases and styles and stuff . . . In this segment SLAVE talks about some of the artistic work he is doing currently. He also reflects on his use of cartoon characters in pieces back in the 1970s and the ways in which his crew would lessen the chance of something going wrong while painting a piece. He circles back to speaking about his current craft, which he engages in as the urge arises. He ends by relating his experiences being in shows with other old timers from the graffiti arts movement. Art commissions;Art--Exhibitions;Beer;Brown, Charlie (Fictitious character);Doc (Graffiti artist);Futura (Graffiti artist);Keep On Truckin';Layups (Graffiti);Mono (Graffiti artist);Quinones, Lee George;Ree (Graffiti artist);Sam, Yosemite (Fictitious character);Wild style (Graffiti) Canvas;Cartoon characters;Graffiti 0 4567 Inspiration, Colors, and Other Aspects of Graff SLAVE Well, let me see. When Noc came down from The Bronx me and him used to hang out and stuff. And I used to watch some of the stuff that he do, so I'd like imitate some of it, then I'd switch it around my way, then I'd start noticing, you know, different letter patterns in, in, on the train and stuff. From, a lot of people from The Bronx, you know . . . In this segment SLAVE touches on various aspects of his graffiti practice, including his inspiration, the reputation of Bronx writers as being style masters, the colors he was drawn to, how he would acquire a supply of aerosol caps, and how he would get into various layups (Uttica, Baychester, and New Lots). He also speaks more about his proximity to the M.T.A. through his father and reflects on the fact that he mostly avoided incarceration, two-week stints aside, unlike many other graffiti writers of his generation. Baychester Avenue station;Butch 2 (Graffiti artist);Cap (Graffiti artist);Cascade green;Cascade red;Jolly Stompers;Layups (Graffiti);New Lots Avenue station;Noc 167 (Graffiti artist);Racking (Graffiti);Red Devil (Firm);Rust-Oleum (Firm);Sandalwood tan;Schoolbus yellow;Skeleton keys;Style masters (Graffiti);Uttica Avenue station Aerosol caps;Bronx (New York, N.Y.);Color in art;Graffiti artists;Incarceration issues;Inspiration in art;Style;Subways--New York (State)--New York 0 4983 Final Reflections SLAVE Yosemite Sam, I liked that one. Let me see what else. Two, me and LEE did some burners, with, what's the, used to be these two bird characters in the, in the Mad books back in the day . . . In this segment SLAVE offers some final reflections on his favorite pieces as well as how he wants to be remembered in the graffiti arts movement and where he and his generation fit into its history. He ends with a reflection on the ways in which the movement helped those involved overcome some of the effects of racism. Burners (Graffiti);Chain 3 (Graffiti artist);Doc (Graffiti artist);Kool 131 (Graffiti artist);Mad magazine;Mono (Graffiti artist);Noc 167 (Graffiti artist);Part One (Graffiti artist);Quinones, Lee George;Racking (Graffiti);Riff 170 (Graffiti artist);Sam, Yosemite (Fictional character);Spy vs. Spy;The Fabulous Five (Graffiti artist group);Tracy 168 (Graffiti artist) Global art;Graffiti;Graffiti history;Mural painting and decoration;Racism in art 0 Oral history recorded for the Bronx Aerosol Arts Documentary Project on February 9, 2022 with SLAVE, a member of The Fabulous Five (The Fab 5ive), one of the most accomplished graffiti crews, the first to paint an entire operational train in 1977. SLAVE was born in The Bronx and grew up in Brooklyn, although he spent a considerable amount of time writing at various Bronx layups. In this oral history SLAVE speaks about many different aspects of his graffiti practice back in the day and some of what he is up to now. CC-BY-NC-SA (Creative Commons) video Content may be utilized only for non-commercial purposes so long as equal sharing privileges are preserved and the following attribution is included: "Courtesy of The Bronx Aerosol Arts Documentary Project, The Bronx County Archives at The Bronx County Historical Society Research Library." 0 https://viewer.mybcpl.org/viewer.php?cachefile=/render.php?cachefile= Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Interview with SLAVE Description An account of the resource Oral history recorded for the Bronx Aerosol Arts Documentary Project on February 9, 2022 with SLAVE, a member of The Fabulous Five (The Fab 5ive), one of the most accomplished graffiti crews, the first to paint an entire operational train in 1977. SLAVE was born in The Bronx and grew up in Brooklyn, although he spent a considerable amount of time writing at various Bronx layups. In this oral history SLAVE speaks about many different aspects of his graffiti practice back in the day and some of what he is up to now. The interviewers are Dr. Steven Payne, librarian and archivist at The Bronx County Historical Society, and Kurt Boone, prolific documentarian of urban culture for the past 40 years. The Bronx Aerosol Arts Documentary Project is a project of The Bronx County Archives at The Bronx County Historical Society Research Library. This oral history is brought to you through the contribution of Stephen DeSimone, CEO/President of DeSimone Consulting Engineers. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Bronx Aerosol Arts Documentary Project Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2022.02.09 Language A language of the resource English Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context OH-BAADP.20220209 graffiti SLAVE The Fab 5ive The Fabulous Five